1. mollymawkattack:

    lostdollsclub:

    ill-be-here-by-the-ocean-:

    And I face-palmed SO HARD
    Because take out the “don’t” and that is pretty much the DEFINITION of feminism

    [EDITED for brevity - read here]

    ^ This.

    I don’t think that the original sign has anything to do with seeing feminists as “lesbians who don’t shave and hate men”, rather it has more to do with seeing feminism as a movement which perpetuates the theory of universal female victimhood. Which is often a good thing, especially where it concerns oppression of females in areas which may not be immediately obvious to the public, but such an approach can sometimes end up disregarding individual experiences and beliefs. Everyone sees the world in a different way, and should not necessarily be expected to conform to the views of others.

    Painting anyone who does not agree with your definition of feminism as someone who hates equality and/or is completely subservient to the wishes of men is quite disrespectful, I think. 

    I read & reread the OP & this response & vacillated between diplomacy & well, face-palm.

    To start with, just to get it out of the way, because the rest of this is going to be long: I think it’s important to clarify that the OP was not saying that the woman with the sign must be anti-equality, but rather asking why, assuming she is not anti-equlaity, does she have a problem with a movement that is pro-equality?  Big difference, & not disrespectful.

    Moving on to my main problem with your response:

    The sign the OP refers to argues that feminism is the obverse of what those of use who do call ourselves feminists consider it to be.  So quite apart from anything else, if someone-else doesn’t consider themselves to be a feminist, how can they comment on what it means to be a feminist?

    Because when that happens, what we are told is that to be a feminist is to be too strident, too outspoken, not listening to men’s voices, taking up too much space, anti-science, anti-history, and (now) “perpetuat[ing] the theory of universal female victimhood”.

    Well, fuck that.  

    I am not a victim. However, just as I am aware of the freedoms - privileges - that I have because I am white, middle-class from an educated, liberal background in a developed nation, I am aware of the constraints upon my actions & my will in my life (& anywhere in the world I might go) because of my gender.  Around the world women are killed because they are women - because they refused to marry & women are chattels to be bought & sold, because they were raped & lost their value as chattels, because they spoke out, because no-one would prosecute the murder because a woman is worth nothing.  In the West, after decades of feminism & change, there are studies that show that men still think that women are dominating the conversation if they talk for more than 10-15% of the time.  In between these disparate points there’s a continuum that repeats, like a broken record, “women are worth less, women are worth less, women are worthless”.  Feminism is NOT about being a victim, it is against being systematically victimised.

    Unfortunately, there are an increasing number of young Western women who very quickly, with little provocation will tell you “oh I’m not a feminist” as if it were a bad thing to be, a troublesome thing (& no-one wants a troublesome woman).  Why? because they are told over and over again that to be a feminist is to be too strident, too outspoken, misandrist, etc…  Just like they’re told over & over again that they’re too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short, not pretty enough, too pretty!  Hear anything enough & you can start to believe it.  They’re told that they’re being radical & having self-determination, rebelling against their mothers who alienated their fathers by being too much too…  Strike a pose girls, & stick it to feminism!  

    But the question that all this begs is: who benefits?

    Oh, yeah, that’s right.  Men.  Again.  As women gain rights, men’s privileges reduce, & they think it is an attack on their rights.  Nope.  Saying that someone-else is entitled to the same rights as you is not taking your rights away.  So, anyway, we get Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs), & all this rhetoric - that feminism is about victimhood, that it’s anti-men, that it is no longer relevant - comes largely from MRAs*.  So yes, we can argue that a woman, of any age or background, who shows such non-comprehension of what feminism is whilst making a stand against it, is acting as an unwitting functionary of the patriarchy.

    *Or alternatively from women in a position of privilege, who having never experienced noticeable systemic oppression themselves, are incapable of imagining that other women in their own society may have a different experience.  It’s not that different to: “I made lots of money in a capitalist society, so anyone who is poor is just lazy.”

     


  2. ill-be-here-by-the-ocean-:

    And I face-palmed SO HARD
    Because take out the “don’t” and that is pretty much the DEFINITION of feminism
    Feminism gets such a bad rep because people picture lesbians who don’t shave and hate men
    But that’s really not what feminism is
    Feminism is “the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men” MEANING that a feminist is one who is against the treatment of men as the superior being. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WANT TO BE THE SUPERIOR BEING. This means that we want to be EQUAL. We want to not feel judged for having/showing masculine traits and qualities AND we want men to not feel judged for having/showing feminine traits and qualities.
    I just literally do not understand why any woman would not want equality with men.
    Any woman who disagrees with feminism is pretty much saying “yes, men are the boss of me and always will be”.
    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR GENITALS
    Guys can be feminists too
    IT IS ANYONE WHO HAS EYES TO SEE THAT WOMEN CLEARLY GET TREATED LIKE CRAP COMPARED TO MEN

    ^ This.

     


  3. She was sitting there talking about why it is:

    1. God
    2. Jesus
    3. Husband 
    4. then Wife.

    Ok. I thought I’d stick around to see where this was going.

    The husband loves the wife.
    The wife submits to the husband.

    Right. Not even trying to hide the frown now.

    Because as Jesus is to the Church. The Husband is to the Wife. That is, as Jesus is perfect & the Church is imperfect so the Husband is perfect & the wife imperfect.

    O M F G

    At that point I had to leave the room.

    Further overheard some rubbish about this is why God blamed Adam for eating the apple when it was Eve who took the fruit. Didn’t even try to follow it.

    Seriously, it’s as if feminism never happened.

     

  4. thepeoplesrecord:

    Meet The Red Brigade: formed in November 2011 to fight back against a growing number of sexual attacks on women in the city of Lucknow, India

    The male tormentor of the young women of the Madiyav slum did not spot the danger until it was too late. One moment he was taunting them with sexual suggestions and provocations; the next they had hold of his arms and legs and had hoisted him into the air.

    Then the beating began. Some of the young women lightly used their fists, others took off their shoes and hit him with those. When it was over, they let him limp away to nurse his wounds, certain that he had learned an important lesson: don’t push your luck with the Red Brigade.

    Named for their bright red outfits, the Red Brigade was formed in November 2011 as a self-defense group for young women suffering sexual abuse in the northern Indian city of Lucknow, 300 miles south-east of Delhi. Galvanised by the gang rape and murder of a 23-year-old medical student in Delhi last December and the nationwide protests that followed against a rising tide of rapes, they are now gaining in confidence.

    From a core membership of 15, ranging in age from 11 to 25, they now have more than 100 members with a simple message for the men who have made their lives a misery: they will no longer tolerate being groped, gawped at and worse. Their activities are a lesson in empowerment.

    Men who fall foul of the Red Brigade can first expect a visit and a warning. Sometimes the Red Brigade will ask the police to get involved, but if all else fails they take matters into their own hands. Their leader, 25-year-old teacher Usha Vishwakarma, has her own experience of the daily danger faced by many young women in the country. She was just 18 when a fellow teacher tried to rape her. “He grabbed me and put his hands round me and tried to open my belt and trousers,” says Usha, sitting in the bare-brick front room of her small house. “But I was saved by my jeans because they were too tight for him to open, and that gave me a chance to fight, so I kicked him in the sensitive place and pushed him down and ran out of the door.”

    No one at the school took her accusations seriously, telling her to forget it and stop causing trouble. The experience left her traumatized and for two years she did nothing. But little by little her confidence came back. In 2009 she set up her own small school for local girls in an outbuilding next to her family home. Yet all around her, she says, she saw more and more young women suffering the same abuse she had faced. And it was threatening to wreck the chances of her young female students.

    “Parents were telling girls to stay in their homes so there would be no incidents. They said, ‘if you go to school, boys will be troubling you, so stay home and there will be no sexual violence’,” says Vishwakarma. “But we said no, and we decided to form a group to fight for ourselves. We decided we would not just complain; we would take a lead and fight for ourselves.” They bought red kameez (shirts) and black salwar (trousers) and began to plan the fightback. “We chose red because it means danger and black for protest,” says Vishwakarma.

    There is much to fight back against. “It is in the minds of men that girls are objects and it has been like that always,” says Vishwakarma. “Religion shows women as very powerless and that whoever is strong can do anything.”

    They have started martial arts training so that the men do not have a physical advantage over them. Pooja, Vishwakarma’s 18-year-old sister, laughs as she recalls the reaction of the boy they grabbed in the street when his taunts became too much. “We all stopped and turned round and we surrounded him and grabbed his arms and legs and he thought it was a joke, but we were not kidding and four of us lifted him in the air and the others started to hit him with their shoes and fists,” she says.

    The rough justice the Red Brigade metes out might seem extreme to western sensibilities, but many Indian women are making it clear that they are no longer prepared to put up with endemic abuse. That much is clear from the crime figures: reports of molestation in Delhi are up 590% year on year and rape reports by 147%. The rape cases have hit tourist numbers, which were down 25% in the first three months of the year – 35% fewer women are travelling to India. The Red Brigade say sexual abuse is a part of daily life for young women like them. They all have stories of abuse, attempted rapes and daily harassment. “This is what happens in India,” says 16-year-old Laxmi, one of Vishwakarma’s lieutenants. “These things happen all the time. All of us know this, so don’t let anyone say otherwise. This is why we have formed the Red Brigade.”

    Seventeen-year-old Preeti Verma nods in agreement. Her family are too poor to have a toilet in the house, so she has to go out into the fields, she says. Every time she went out, the man in the neighbouring house threw stones at her to try to scare her into jumping up. “He wanted to see my body,” she says. “I told him: ‘What are you doing? You are shameless, don’t you have a mother and sister in your house?’ But he replied that his mother is for his father, his sister is for her husband and that I was for him.” She told Vishwakarma, and the man received a visit from the Red Brigade and another from the police. She has had no trouble from him since.

    “We’ve caught a lot of men recently,” says 17-year-old Sufia Hashmi. “I joined up because men always used to pass comments on me and touch my body, but now we beat them the men cannot do anything and they run away. You feel powerful and you feel good.”

    On the way back to the slum, the rickshaws pass a public park and for a moment these tough young women show themselves for what they really are – children forced to grow up fast. They beg and plead to stop. “Please, please,” they say, their eyes gleaming in excitement. Shrieking gleefully, they race off towards the swings, slides and roundabouts. Later they stroll back through the market, eating ice-creams, heading for their homes. The sun is low in the sky, the shadows long. The men watch sullenly as they pass. No one risks a word.

    Source

    Saw this on Al Jazeera this morning. I’m sure it’s gone around Tumblr in some form before.

     


  5. As a society, we encourage girls and women to be emotionally accessible, and in touch with their feelings; we say that it’s an innately feminine trait. We say it, that is, until they have feelings that make us uncomfortable, at which point we recast them as melodramatic harpies, shrieking banshees, and basket cases
    — 

    Tori Amos (via ceedling)

    Did I already reblog this? Yay.

    (via tenrec4tea)

    (Source: queerintersectional, via sabelmouse)

     


  6. ohmothericanfeelthesoil:

    Well, this is upsetting. According to a new study, people can’t tell the difference between quotes from British “lad mags” and interviews with convicted rapists. And given the choice, men are actually more likely to agree with the rapists.

    This is awful.  They have a sample of quotes at the bottom so you can try your own hand at attributing them to either Lad Mag or Rapist - it’s not easy…

     


  7. You may not agree with a woman, but to criticize her appearance — as opposed to her ideas or actions — isn’t doing anyone any favors, least of all you. Insulting a woman’s looks when they have nothing to do with the issue at hand implies a lack of comprehension on your part, an inability to engage in high-level thinking. You may think she’s ugly, but everyone else thinks you’re an idiot.
    — Hillary Clinton (via geenanaginnzzzz)

    (Source: smellslikegirlriot, via austere-state-of-mind)

     


  8. “I have been fortunate to have experienced the kind of life in which such an awakening occurred free of violence, trauma or pain. Instead, it was a trickle of indignation that gave rise to a mighty river. I grew weary of the routine way I was expected to contribute to my own diminishment, laughing at jokes that positioned women as a punchline in order to stroke the egos of boys whose limited experience of disapproval resulted in gendered name calling and the withdrawal of erectile approval.”

     


  9. There has been a lot of effort to demonize the word ‘feminist.’ I think that being a feminist means that you see the world whole instead instead of half. It shouldn’t need a name and one day it won’t. Feminism starts out being very simple, it starts out being the instinct of the little child who says “it’s not fair” and “you are not the boss of me.” It’s something in us who knows that. And it ends up being a worldview that questions hierarchy altogether.
    — Gloria Steinem (via smellslikegirlriot)

    (via dakotapuma)

     


  10. floral-prince:

    [TW: rape, sexual abuse]

    As a DMAB victim, I should be a poster-boy for “men’s rights.” I should be shouting from the rooftops about my experience and the sexualization of young boys, about how it exists outside of the stereotypical “Catholic priest” scenario (and how those…